A social networking friend of mine from Germany with the name Tobias Roetsch aka Taenaron from deviantART.com started an interesting poll a few days ago.
He asked fellow deviants the question:
“Do you believe in your government and do you support their decisions?”
Within a few days 281 different people voted. Based on the numerous comments in the discussion threads to the poll is it obvious that the deviants who participated in the poll come from all over the planet, the USA, Canada, UK, Australia are only a few of those countries. People from virtually every continent participated. The results were alarming, but not surprising.
Only 10% of the people who responded believe in their own government and support what it is doing. Over 50% don’t trust their government at all with more than half of that not trusting any government for that matter.
- 38% (106) deviants said just partly…
- 27% (76) deviants said everything is a big lie. They just want to get more power.
- 26% (72) deviants said No! (Tell me why)
- 10% (27) deviants said yes! (Tell me why)
Well, it wasn’t for long that the discussion was shifting from the generic subject of trust to specific issues, such as the ominously war on terror and the much more real war that is waging in Iraq for more than six years now.
Here is are some snippets of the discussions followed by my own rather long responses, which also lead me to write this blog post. Here is the argument between the German “T” and the American pro-war “P”.
T: al qaeda was paid by the us government…it’s a US-war, not a world war. so they should stop asking other countries for help
P: Lol, where do u get ur facts from? The Onion?
T: some videos, some texts, internet….911 was a project of the us-government
P: the fact that 9/11 was planned does not necessarily mean that it was the U.S. who planned it.
Ok, whatever you say. I’ll give you merit if you can actually show me proof of this. I never bought into the whole government conspiracy stuff.
T: they just needed a reason for the new wars. since 2001 you’re in war. I would think about that. where are the mass-destruction weapons of the iraq?
P: The reason for going into Iraq was never just for finding weapons of mass destruction. It was to stop terrorism and promote democracy. The weapons was just something that they thought might have been there. It wasn’t the actual reason for going to war. I will give you one thing that I’m a little disappointed in the government for. They are spending 4x as much money on Iraq as they are on Afghanistan and Afghanistan was the reason we were in the middle east in the first place. I don’t know why they think that Iraq is 4x more important than Afghanistan.
I heard the last arguments too often already and felt inclined to respond to it. Here is what I wrote.
Pearl Harbor to enter WW2 and the Sinking of the British luxury liner Lusitania by German U-Boats (with 123 American who got killed also) to enter WW1 or the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir of Austria-Hungary by Serbs , which was the reason for Austria-Hungary to declare War on Serbia and thus started WW1 and the staged (proven in this case) attack of the German radio station “Gleiwitz” on 8/31/1939, which was the reason for the Germans to declare war on Poland and thus trigger WW2. Or the Tonkin Gulf incident of 1964, which triggered the official involvement of the US in the Vietnam War (the incident was a lie by the way, that one happened to be proven too).
All very “fine” reasons, all worth the tens of thousands or even millions of people dead and land, houses, industry, infrastructure etc. devastated.
So this “reason” is just another bad example of “good reasons” to go to war. It would only be nice, if the administration would admit it and not pretend that they don’t know what people are talking about.
P: You come off as a little anti-war to me, so trying to argue being in a war would probably be a waste of my time.
Then I replied:
Well, I think that being “anti-war” is something the vast majority of human beings have in common. People who are “pro-war” are in the minority and usually not fellows you want to hang out with. I only stated facts. Those incidents were actually the official “cause” for the various parties to enter or start a war. Looking back at those “causes” make them look almost ridicules and for almost certain unreasonable.
I am only one who thinks before and not afterwards already that the official “cause” is ridicules and unreasonable. I also believe that there are always non-public (in official) agendas that the involved parties follow, which include the real reasons for the war. I also believe that the reason for not making the hidden agendas a public one and the real reasons the official ones has to do with the fact that those hidden reasons are even more unreasonable and unethical (to say the least), maybe not in the eyes of the people who created the agenda, but most certainly in the eyes of the average people.
There are moments where it is right and just to fight and a good reason that does not make the loss of a brother, father or son less painful, but at least gives it some purpose and results that benefit many people in the years to come. This war in Iraq right now is not one of those moments though. I am all ears to hear reasons that will provide the purpose that is missing. So far I only did hear reasons that won’t hold up to their promise to fulfill this task.
I also felt that I should respond to the request made by “P” when he stated the following:
P: “Ok, whatever you say. I’ll give you merit if you can actually show me proof of this. I never bought into the whole government conspiracy stuff.”
I wrote in January a blog post about some documentaries that ranked no.1 on Google Video on that day, which addressed those questions and related ones.
I then made following statements and recommendations:
I noticed that some of the links did not work anymore and replaced them with working ones. Check out “Zeitgeist”. It has proof that even average folks who are smart enough to make it to/through high school can understand.
I rejected it also at first, but over the past months was a noticeable shadow of doubt cast over my old believes that it cannot be which may not be. I got suspicious for a number of reasons. It started with stuff that did not add up right from the start, such as the two airplanes that allegedly vaporized entirely, yet human remains were found that were supposedly from some of the hijackers. I saw pictures of many plane crashes, worse than the ones from 911 and never saw that an airplane virtually vanished as a result of the crash. Physicists actually back up this gut feeling and say, that no modern airplane on the planet of the types that supposedly hit the pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania could possible disintegrate to the extent as they supposedly did on 9/11.
Several parts of the Boeing (and Airbus) airplanes are made of special heat resistant aluminum/titanium alloys that are used in the space programs as well. No kerosene, TNT or any other flammable or explosive in or outside the airplane produces enough heat to have this effect. Look at airplane crashes from the past, including full explosions of airplanes and high altitude/high velocity crashes and you will notice that certain parts always seem to remain somewhat intact. That’s the stuff that is made of aluminum/titanium alloys.
The area around the Pentagon is full of cameras that record everything that happens around it 24/7. Why all camera tapes around the pentagon were systematically confiscated and not a single snippet of film that shows at least an airliner approaching the Pentagon building (to show undoubtedly that it would hit the building in the area that we saw later on television?) was ever released to the public.
There is no moral, security or other reason why none of those recordings should see the light of the day, if they confirm the official story. If there would be another reason for holding it back, the question would remain, why they don???t say so.
The events that followed in the years after 9/11 in the name of it went far beyond anything that is realistic, practical and reasonable in relationship to effectiveness in the War against Terrorism that make even conservatives speak up loud and strong against those actions.
People who were pro war and who lost 1st degree relatives in the attacks started to turn away from the people who supposedly were responsible for the death of their loved ones and strongly disapprove of the current administration???s policies and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those people do not change their attitude because of some fluffy air and made up stories of sensation hungry conspiracy theorists who suspect “illuminati’s” or the “devil” behind every act of violence that happens on this world.
Look again and tell me honestly if you don’t have at least a serious shadow of doubt that the official story might not be the story that reflects the actual events on that day. You do not have to believe that some of the claims made in those publications for example are actually true, but some the things mentioned are beyond claims and hard facts that you can verify yourself with outside and non-related sources that have nothing to do with the events of November 2001.
But, there is Hope!
All not so nice stuff, right, but there are remarkable things happening on the Internet as well that somewhat counter those bad stuff that just seems to want to make you puke.
I will keep my writing to a minimum and let pictures, music and other people speak for me.
Videos from people for people worldwide see for example this video called “Stop the Clash of Civilizations” (at YouTube), which was directed by Avaaz & Agit-Pop, new global web movements that are made up of people from all over the world who connect, share and collaborate to make this world a better place.
Global Citizenship Declaration
now at NEO.org (moved from idclr.org)
I created a full size animated banner for it.
The domain moved from idclr.org to neo.org so I think I have to update my banner now hehe. To declare your Global Citizenship, visit NEO.org to learn more or Send;
- Your Full Name
- Your birth city or town
- Your photo or a link to a picture of you
- A Personal Declaration for Action you wish others to join you in for the common good
- A link to your online profile or website (Xing, Facebook, Orkut, LinkedIn, Flickr etc.) and/or any position/title you have.
To: n(at)neo.org also CC a friend so they support you and also become a founding parent of Earth.
Videos at TED.com in general.
I would like to highlight the following presentations:
- Jill Bolte Taylor: My stroke of insight
- Ben Dunlap: The story of a passionate life
- Hans Rosling: New insights on poverty and life around the world
- Hans Rosling: Debunking third-world myths with the best stats you’ve ever seen
- Howard Rheingold: Way-new collaboration
Get involved, raise your voice, because you have a voice. You are stronger than you might think and unstoppable if unified with like minded around the world aiming for the same goals. It’s only a slight mind-shift that is needed to get you to fully grasp and understand this. This little shift will remove so many of your “IFs” and “BUTs’ that you won’t believe it.
Join US today!
Carsten aka Roy/SAC